tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post4777578887114282414..comments2017-12-07T20:25:23.227-08:00Comments on CHARADIATION: charadiationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17052342609254808308noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-58092754112331619702008-11-11T13:13:00.000-08:002008-11-11T13:13:00.000-08:00Great work.Great work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-40904613879828305942007-08-05T07:52:00.000-07:002007-08-05T07:52:00.000-07:00reika:your comment belongs on the next post - hala...reika:<BR/>your comment belongs on the next post - halachah v'ein morim kein. However, I do not want to lose it and my techno skills are weak - thus, it stays here.<BR/>l'gufo shel inyan: I have very personal experience regarding "the hadling of a gadol". Might even publish it as a book - there's a new publisher called banned looking for manuscripts that will be sold on e-bay. I agree that this happens and happens often and even think that I have insight as to why it happens. In this case, and at this point in time, it is irrelevant as I was attempting to explain the rationale of the ban.<BR/>In regard to your comment about the gedolim being coerced to agree with Rav Elyashiv; look back at political pashkvilim [what a wonderful title for a doctoral thesis] from twenty years ago and you will see that the name Shlomo Zalman Auerbach was rarely included.charadiationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17052342609254808308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-71888716116782570962007-08-05T05:07:00.000-07:002007-08-05T05:07:00.000-07:00First, a minor quibble. Pinchas didn't ask Moshe w...First, a minor quibble. Pinchas didn't ask Moshe what to do, since it's halacha *v'ein morin kein."<BR/><BR/> Main point: your comments presuppose that all the names appended did indeed agree with the issur and signed it. Anyone familiar with the scene in Yerushalayim knows that it ain't necessarily so. Furthermore, the rule is that "ein ladayan ela mah she'einav ro'ot." The gedolim can only judge by what is brought to their attention, and thus their knowledge of the reality is what is filtered to them by others. They didn't prohibit the concert that was. They prohibited the concert they were told would take place. (The separation of men and women was total, not as the ban intimated would be the case.) The same phenomenon happened with the ban on The Making of a Gadol. Not one of the ones who banned it read so much as one word of the book. They could'nt -- the book was in English, which they don't read. They were told excerpts, and how accurate or representative those excerpts were, who knows? Also, once one or two of the gedolim sign, the others will go along, whether or not they have any independent knowledge. After all, if Rav Elyashiv banned it, can Gadol X disagree?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-8419834059194813842007-08-03T16:11:00.000-07:002007-08-03T16:11:00.000-07:00A well written post. I am one of those people who...A well written post. I am one of those people who gave up a spot in a prestigious school to attend a Jewish university and continue Torah study-- primarily for the reasons cited here. I have to agree with Penngrad--it certainly is no easy choice (even after the fact), and it is a real tradeoff, with serious elements given up. But on the whole, the phenomenon described in this post is far too prevalent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-86639833627452144522007-08-03T13:05:00.000-07:002007-08-03T13:05:00.000-07:00I have to agree with Neil on this and I'll go one ...I have to agree with Neil on this and I'll go one step further. The Rambam is VERY clear-hilchos talmud Torah perek gimmel siff yud alef-a person should in this order-get a job, get a house, get a wife. No perush could misrepresent what he means there. It is obvious that he is not into Kollel for everyone and is turning over in his grave as he watches Klal Yisroel commit suicide led by the very type of rabbis that would have banned the Rambam's seforim in a heartbeat had they lived in his day. It seems to me from his aristotalian background that he would have been quite the Ivey student...<BR/><BR/>Additionally people like to bring the last siff in trumas and say that the Rambam says everyone who reaches a certain level should learn all day (although not get paid for it btw) but it is clear from there that anyone would be able to do that- Jew or non Jew- although the level of knowledge he is talking about there, we have yet to see in most humans alive today.onlyajewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15137903157947700396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-74789779196068257732007-08-03T12:40:00.000-07:002007-08-03T12:40:00.000-07:00Anonymous,The kesef mishna disagrees with the Ramb...Anonymous,<BR/>The kesef mishna disagrees with the Rambam - but we already knew that. I'm not sure who you are referring to other than the kesef mishna, and he's not the last word on what the Rambam meant. There are plenty who take the Rambam at his word, even if we don't paskin like him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-79270950481982194462007-08-03T11:01:00.000-07:002007-08-03T11:01:00.000-07:00well he may have taken a harsh position in perush ...well he may have taken a harsh position in perush hamishnayos but the Nosai keylim are explaining the rambam and they seem to say that he isnt paskening that wayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-17301800985607991492007-08-03T10:54:00.000-07:002007-08-03T10:54:00.000-07:00I have mixed feelings on this topic. I myself att...I have mixed feelings on this topic. I myself attended an elite program at Penn, but I do see the other side. On the other hand, let's not obfuscate the facts: It is a fact that if you are interested in Engineering, there is no such option in YU exept for the dual Columbia-YU program. And if you get into MIT or Harvard, whose engineering programs simply blow away Columbia's (or Penn's), that is a difficult decision to make. If you are interested in business, Wharton blows away Sy Simms, hands down. There's really no comparison. If it's salaries you are interested in comparing, I know top people in my program (an elite dual-degree Wharton program) who got 150-200K salaries after bonus their first year out of school, where the salary could easily grow to 500K and up in a matter of years. Ivy's really do open doors that would otherwise not be open. Especially if you are near the top of your class, YU or Lander's can be very limiting. Again, there are other critical considerations that you mention in your post, and I don't disagree with you. But you have to have an accurate picture of the trade offs you are making.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-39332796519472129872007-08-03T07:16:00.000-07:002007-08-03T07:16:00.000-07:00Anonymus,Please read Pirush Hamishnayos that I cit...Anonymus,<BR/>Please read Pirush Hamishnayos that I cited. Rambam is quite harsh in his critique of deriving benefit from Talmud Torah. All my point is that given what he writes there it is indeed quite clear why he did not choose to support himself as a teacher. Whether you can justify such a position within the Misheh Torah based on the Nosei Kalem or based on other authorities is a seperate issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-20759168549540963442007-08-02T20:42:00.000-07:002007-08-02T20:42:00.000-07:00neil if you read the rambam in mishna torah and ho...neil <BR/>if you read the rambam in mishna torah and how the commetaries understand it he didnt prohibit a person from being a paid rabbi only that a person may not say i wanna make money so lets go into the rabbinate. however if a person wants to teach torah and get paid so that he may live then according to many of the commentaries understanding of mishnah torah it would be permittedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-81813132957688403072007-08-02T19:54:00.000-07:002007-08-02T19:54:00.000-07:00as it says about mordechai in the megillah once he...as it says about mordechai in the megillah once he became mishnah limelech he was "ratzu lirov echav" he dropped in stature in the sanhedrin because as the miforshim explain he was osek in being mishna limelech and had less time for torahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5517958817301180381.post-1361435143056047262007-08-02T18:43:00.000-07:002007-08-02T18:43:00.000-07:00"Rambam could have supported himself as a rabbi or..."Rambam could have supported himself as a rabbi or teacher. For reasons we do not know, he chose not to, as was the case with many of his contemporaries"<BR/><BR/>Actually we do know quite clearly. Rambam in pirush hamishnayot in perek 4 of avot as well as in Hilchot TT says quite explicitly that it is prohibited to derive monetary benefit from teaching of Torah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com